{"id":1978,"date":"2013-03-01T12:36:52","date_gmt":"2013-03-01T20:36:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/?p=1978"},"modified":"2021-02-06T09:15:28","modified_gmt":"2021-02-06T17:15:28","slug":"hybrids-and-frankenstein","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/index.php\/2013\/03\/01\/hybrids-and-frankenstein\/","title":{"rendered":"Hybrids and Frankensteins Some Turnout Experiments"},"content":{"rendered":"<div\n    class=\"pld-like-dislike-wrap pld-template-2\">\n    <div class=\"pld-like-wrap  pld-common-wrap\">\n    <a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"\n       class=\"pld-like-trigger pld-like-dislike-trigger \"\n       title=\"\"\n       data-post-id=\"1978\"\n       data-trigger-type=\"like\"\n       data-restriction=\"ip\"\n       data-already-liked=\"0\">\n                           <i class=\"fas fa-heart\"><\/i>\n                    <\/a>\n    <span class=\"pld-like-count-wrap pld-count-wrap\">    <\/span>\n<\/div><\/div><p>I&#8217;ve spent the past couple of days experimenting with different turnouts. The victims (shown below) were a&nbsp;Central Valley Ties #9 Turnout with a Details west Frog and&nbsp;Guardrail &amp; a Peco #6 with Proto87 Stores&nbsp;Frog.<br \/>\n<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-1978 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-16.jpg'><img width=\"200\" height=\"149\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-16-200x149.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"Peco #6 With Proto:87 Frog\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-1983\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-16-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-16-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-16.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-1983'>\n\t\t\t\tPeco #6 With Proto:87 Frog\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-15.jpg'><img width=\"200\" height=\"149\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-15-200x149.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"PCB Throwbar for CVT\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-1982\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-15-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-15-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-15.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-1982'>\n\t\t\t\tPCB Throwbar for CVT\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-14.jpg'><img width=\"200\" height=\"149\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-14-200x149.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"Details West Frog and Gaurd Rails\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-1981\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-14-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-14-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-14.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-1981'>\n\t\t\t\tDetails West Frog and Gaurd Rails\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-13.jpg'><img width=\"200\" height=\"149\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-13-200x149.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"Details West Frog and Gaurd Rails\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-1980\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-13-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-13-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-13.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-1980'>\n\t\t\t\tDetails West Frog and Gaurd Rails\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-12.jpg'><img width=\"200\" height=\"149\" src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-12-200x149.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"CVT Throwbar\" loading=\"lazy\" aria-describedby=\"gallery-1-1979\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-12-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-12-300x224.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/03\/Track-12.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<figcaption class='wp-caption-text gallery-caption' id='gallery-1-1979'>\n\t\t\t\tCVT Throwbar\n\t\t\t\t<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n<\/p>\n<h2><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Central Valley Ties #9 <\/span><\/strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Turnout<\/span><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"> Kit<\/span><\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>I&#8217;ve tried the Proto87 Stores Superfine and Easy turnouts, which are essentially Central Valley Ties with Proto87 Stores Frogs and Point Rails.&nbsp;I ordered a <a title=\"Central Valley Ties - Turnouts\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cvmw.com\/turnouts.htm\">CVT kit<\/a> because I&nbsp;wanted to see how well&nbsp;the Central Valley points and throw-bars actually worked. I also ordered a Details West Frog kit because they look so damn awesome!<\/p>\n<p>The CVT throw-bar and switch-stand were pretty easy to assemble and worked (for about 30 seconds) just long enough for me to take a couple of photos. After that things started falling apart. I used Tenax to glue the plastic parts together, but that really doesn&#8217;t work well. However, Tenax does an excellent job of sticking the tie strip to the coated cardboard backing that comes in the kit. I glued the rails to the ties with CA, but that doesn&#8217;t work very well, they come loose very easily and I&#8217;ve had to re-glue several times. I also decide to insert some PCB ties to hold the track together, as well as a PCB throw bar to replace the kit throw-bar. I like the look of the points, but the hinge is awkward and it&#8217;s hard to get the points to close against the stock rail without bending the points into awkward looking angles, and even then it still doesn&#8217;t work that great.<\/p>\n<p>The <a title=\"Details West Frog Kits\" href=\"http:\/\/www.detailswest.com\/switch_frog_detail_page.htm\">Details West Manganese&nbsp;Frog and Guardrail Kit<\/a> looks awesome. The bolt head detail on the frog is just spectacular. It&#8217;s a natural fit with the CVT ties and sticks easily with CA. One of the guard rails came with a gouge in it. The frogs are also an easy component replacement for other RTR turnouts<\/p>\n<p>This&nbsp;combo is a natural fit.&nbsp;You get Central Valley Ties ease of assembly and detailed ties and points with Details west superbly detailed frog and guardrails.<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Peco #6 Insulfrog&nbsp;with Proto87 Stores Frog<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>I ordered a <a title=\"Proto87 Stores\" href=\"http:\/\/proto87.com\/\">Proto87 Stores #6 frog <\/a>kit a while back to see how easy it was to convert an RTR turnout to Proto:87. The basic&nbsp;process is to cut&nbsp;out the old frog and&nbsp;replace it with&nbsp;the Proto:87&nbsp;frog and move the guard rails closer to the stock rails.&nbsp;I have several Peco #6 switches floating around and this one is kind of the guinea pig. It was an Insulfrog and&nbsp;I thought it might be a pain to convert.&nbsp;But it turned out to be fairly easy.<\/p>\n<p>I&nbsp;laid the replacement frog as a template over the Peco frog and drew lines on with a marker to determine where I would cut the old frog. I used a Dremel to cut the rails. Since part of the&nbsp;Peco frog assembly is plastic I figured the entire turnout was one solid mold, it isn&#8217;t, the plastic portions of the frog are a separate piece. They are glued very tightly, but with a moderate amount of scraping with a blade, they eventually separate fairly cleanly.<\/p>\n<p>I glued the new frog to the turnout base using CA. The Proto87 frog&nbsp;was a little higher than the Peco track so I had to file a taper at each end to make for a smoother transition.<\/p>\n<p>I used pliers to rock the guardrails loose. I filed the inside of the guardrails to remove the rail base. I scraped a couple of the bolt details from the turnout tie base to make room for the closer guard rails. I rest the guard rails using my new Proto:87&nbsp;<a title=\"DD Wheelwrights Guages\" href=\"http:\/\/ddwheelwrights.com\/\">Check Rail Gauge and Flangeway Gauge<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a great combo, you get the great looking Proto87 Stores frog and keep Peco&#8217;s great tie plate &amp;&nbsp;spike head detail as well as the signature sprung throw-bar.<\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p class=\"pvc_stats total_only \" data-element-id=\"1978\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> &nbsp;2,663&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve spent the past couple of days experimenting with different turnouts. 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