{"id":1682,"date":"2012-10-30T03:43:07","date_gmt":"2012-10-30T10:43:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/?p=1682"},"modified":"2021-02-06T09:30:44","modified_gmt":"2021-02-06T17:30:44","slug":"frog-survey","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/index.php\/2012\/10\/30\/frog-survey\/","title":{"rendered":"Frog Survey"},"content":{"rendered":"<div\n    class=\"pld-like-dislike-wrap pld-template-2\">\n    <div class=\"pld-like-wrap  pld-common-wrap\">\n    <a href=\"javascript:void(0)\"\n       class=\"pld-like-trigger pld-like-dislike-trigger \"\n       title=\"\"\n       data-post-id=\"1682\"\n       data-trigger-type=\"like\"\n       data-restriction=\"ip\"\n       data-already-liked=\"0\">\n                           <i class=\"fas fa-heart\"><\/i>\n                    <\/a>\n    <span class=\"pld-like-count-wrap pld-count-wrap\">    <\/span>\n<\/div><\/div><p>Being a locomotive engineer, I look at turonouts every day. And the model turnouts always look toy like. I&#8217;ve never really been a rivet counter, but I couldn&#8217;t quite place my finger on what was wrong. The first clue was the length of the gaurd rail. The gaurdrail on&nbsp;a Peco #6 turnout spans five ties. The real life turnouts I see at work span 10 or more ties. The next clue was the length 0f the points. The points I see at work span the length of at least one 60&#8243; engine, whereas the Peco #6 turnouts are only a half engine length long.<\/p>\n<p>So, I decided to&nbsp;take some actual measurements to determine real life frog sizes. What an eye opener. I measured&nbsp;four prototype&nbsp;turnouts which will appear on my layout. To determine frog number, I divided the length of the frog by the width as described in the <a title=\"Catskill Archive - Track Frogs and Switches\" href=\"http:\/\/catskillarchive.com\/rrextra\/tkwk10.Html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Castskill Archive<\/a>.These are the results:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Industrial Lead: Frog #14 (L 138&#8243; x W 10&#8243;)<\/li>\n<li>Sig 1: Frog #14 (L 136 x W 10&#8243;)<\/li>\n<li>Odom Lead: Frog #10 (L 108&#8243; x W 10&#8243;)<\/li>\n<li>Sugar Track: Frog #10 (L 108&#8243; x W 10&#8243;)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ul id=\"myGallery_6\" class=\"galleryview\"><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/sig-1-103.jpg\" alt=\"sig-1-103\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/sig-1-102.jpg\" alt=\"sig-1-102\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/sig-1-101.jpg\" alt=\"sig-1-101\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/odom-103.jpg\" alt=\"odom-103\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/odom-102.jpg\" alt=\"odom-102\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/odom-101.jpg\" alt=\"odom-101\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/industrial-102.jpg\" alt=\"industrial-102\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/industrial-103.jpg\" alt=\"industrial-103\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/frog-survey\/industrial-101.jpg\" alt=\"industrial-101\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li> <\/ul><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n            jQuery(document).ready(function($) {\n            $('#myGallery_6').galleryView({  show_panels: 1, show_captions: 0, show_filmstrip: 1, panel_width: 600, panel_height: 400, panel_scale: \"nocrop\", transition_speed: 800, transition_interval: 4000, fade_panels: 1, frame_width: 60, frame_height: 40, filmstrip_position: \"bottom\", pointer_size: 8, frame_scale: \"crop\", frame_gap: 5, frame_opacity: 0.3, easing: \"swing\", nav_theme: \"dark\", start_frame: 1, pause_on_hover: 0   });});<\/script>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>Wow!<\/strong><\/span> No wonder the #6 turnout looks like a toy, it&#8217;s one half the size of my prototype turnout. So what to do? The largest commercially available turnout kits I&#8217;d be willing to use are #9 Proto:87 Superfine or #10 Proto:87 Ultimate. I know building a model railroad is about comprimise and maybe I can comprimise with #8 turnouts, but #6&#8217;s are almost completely out of the water for me now.<\/p>\n<p>I was wondering if I could find a prototype #6 turnout. On a whim I drove out to roundhouse wye at Argo yard and found one of tightest turnouts I could remember seeing. The Argo roundhouse wye switch turns out to be a #8.<\/p>\n<ul id=\"myGallery_5\" class=\"galleryview\"><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/argo-wye\/argo-wye-102.jpg\" alt=\"argo-wye-102\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/argo-wye\/argo-wye-103.jpg\" alt=\"argo-wye-103\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li><li><img src=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/gallery\/argo-wye\/argo-wye-101.jpg\" alt=\"argo-wye-101\" class=\"full\" \/><\/li> <\/ul><script type=\"text\/javascript\">\n            jQuery(document).ready(function($) {\n            $('#myGallery_5').galleryView({  show_panels: 1, show_captions: 0, show_filmstrip: 1, panel_width: 600, panel_height: 400, panel_scale: \"nocrop\", transition_speed: 800, transition_interval: 4000, fade_panels: 1, frame_width: 60, frame_height: 40, filmstrip_position: \"bottom\", pointer_size: 8, frame_scale: \"crop\", frame_gap: 5, frame_opacity: 0.3, easing: \"swing\", nav_theme: \"dark\", start_frame: 1, pause_on_hover: 0   });});<\/script>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/index.php\/2012\/10\/30\/frog-survey\/industrial-102\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-1697\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1697\" title=\"Industrial (102)\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Industrial-102.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"747\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Industrial-102.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Industrial-102-200x149.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.gregamer.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/Industrial-102-300x224.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div><p class=\"pvc_stats total_only \" data-element-id=\"1682\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> &nbsp;3,596&nbsp;<\/p><div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Being a locomotive engineer, I look at turonouts every day. 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